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Post by mark stewart on Sept 20, 2011 19:40:20 GMT -5
Anybody who thinks we are going to keep racing with Menards must have too much disposable cash! Quit using Ice Damage issue, we can work around that. Anybody that goes to the races and doesn't expect to break some parts should be trying harder!
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Post by Don Hupe on Sept 20, 2011 22:02:18 GMT -5
I find that cars break whether you use studded or rubber tires it's the nature of racing, the closer to the edge the easier it is to fall off!!
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Post by Don Hupe on Sept 20, 2011 22:04:43 GMT -5
If I remember correctly this issue to use the tires was settled in april 2010 with the passing of the motion to allow the use of alternative studded, it was put as a motion and passed in an open meeting
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Sept 21, 2011 10:30:21 GMT -5
I would like to speak up again here and give my $0.02 on a few of the related issues.
Breakage - individual racer issue. Once you step up to studded you can expect more breakage and need to upgrade parts as per individual concern or take your chances. This is a non issue for the membership as a whole.
Ice usage - certainly a concern for all. We run the same track every race and as such need to make sure we don't create a bobsleight course. If the ice usage is more than previous we have an issue. However I think if we get the Hupe tires to a comparitive level with the Menards this will be a none issue as ice usage will be similiar.
Speed - if we were changing over to the new design this would not be a big issue. However I think we need to make it so that we have a transition. Both tires should be able to run together and score points. From what I hear we are not ready for this yet but with some fine tuning we may be there.
This brings us back to where we started.
Hupe has doen a great job to get us where we are. As a club I think we can lead the way on this (and give big props to Hupe along the way).
Hupe
Is there a way to remove studs and still use the tires? This way you could try a lesser count and see if that brings you to the comparitive range.
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Post by Don Hupe on Sept 21, 2011 13:54:44 GMT -5
you would basically grind the top off the stud making a blank to put in the tire, but there would be a little 1/4 inch hex head on it but it wouldn't do anything
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Post by curtis on Sept 21, 2011 16:16:59 GMT -5
The breakage issue i have been talking about you all seen. Would you like to keep on seeing a 4 car studded feature? So with this added traction you would expect more breakage....do we all agree? ya can sit there and say if your not breaking parts your not trying hard enough...I would like to see the cars on the track and not in the garage. OH don't worry when the club is witnessing a 3-4 car studded feature you'll all be wondering why these studded guys aren't spending more money. Just come down to my pit and I will tell you why
How many laps did jeff make?
We need Hupe's tire to develop a little more so we will all can be racing on them and then hupe will be know as the guy who saved studded racing! the tire god!
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Post by john kelly on Sept 21, 2011 20:46:04 GMT -5
Don. Have you been able to find out about the full round stud from the manufacturer?
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Post by Doug on Sept 22, 2011 7:57:14 GMT -5
Curtis, Once again I should have been more clear on my point about breakage. I certainly do think it is an individual issue and that anyone who moves up needs to be aware that it is not a class for stock drivetrain parts. However, I believe that if we get the Hupe tires comparitive we while have no additional breakage issues beyond what we currenlty have. Overall my vote is for further testing until we get the tire comparitive to the Menards. My point to all my rambling is that if we present everyone with clear evidence on paper about were the current tire stands it would be much easier to reach a concensus Don, open question; are you faster with the Hupe tire than with the Menard? Are you willing to tone them back to find a comparitive pattern with the Menards? Do you have a better solution to make them comparitive other than less studs?
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Post by Don Hupe on Sept 22, 2011 13:42:08 GMT -5
John , I talked to Francis and have some studs coming IF they have some with full heads left over, when I mentioned the full head Francis asked why because in his opinion the studs would present the same face if they are turned to full width. I also have the MF41 studs coming Doug, yes I'm faster with my tires for a couple of reasons 1, the tires are (in my opinion ) equal to BRAND NEW menards but they don't deteriorate as menards do 2, it's because of #1 you have the confidence to throw the car into the corner and not have to worry about whether you have the traction to make the corner as for breakage I seem to show up for 99.9% of the races and finish them so see above post the closer to the edge the easier it is to fall off!!
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Post by Don Hupe on Sept 22, 2011 13:48:13 GMT -5
"you DON"T want to see me go any faster" as for this quote, we'll be starting a new class for wheel chairs at the end of the race day HELL I WANT TO GO FASTER!! thats the point of racing
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Post by jeffchuch on Sept 23, 2011 18:21:42 GMT -5
Curtis if you were asking how many laps I ran on the hupe tires, it was all year! I made 8 tires and lost 4 I think. That won't be a problem now with the weld nut backing. As for breaking parts I never broke anything last year. The last day my front caliper seized and that was the end to my day. I was going to try more studs in the tire that day too. To see if my car would have went through less ice but that never happened.
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Post by edf on Sept 28, 2011 13:54:11 GMT -5
Hello All. Don Hupe has far too much time into this to be jerked around. If the intent of the new tires is to save tire costs then let dons current tire run. If we all ran menards or now run Hupe tires it is still fair ball.The guys who burn off menards as they switch to hupes have to understand a transition cost.I dont want to build tires,i need 4 to a set,but i will build them if the club choses to do this tire.I said the cars will be faster,i think alot. make sure the officials ensure the vehicle safety and be prepared to enforce a ruling towards unsafe drivers.It takes time to build these tires,make a ruling now. ed f 98x racing
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